Now, let’s go back to that picture that I have talked about. We introduced this topic yesterday on the social networks, on Twitter and MySpace and Face — and the reaction was phenomenal.
We waited a day to do the story. This is coming to us from the Grey Group. They put this together. They have billboards in New York. It is already in newspapers around the country. We jumped on it yesterday, and it is, if nothing else, a conversation piece, one that happens to be very timely, given what is going on in this country right now.
We have got a panel to talk about this. They are Ron Ceballos. He’s actually the creator who put this poster together. He’s joining us there. Ron, give us a smile.
RON CEBALLOS, ART DIRECTOR, GREY: Hey, how you doing?
SANCHEZ: Good. Let’s go to Marc Morial, too. He is with the Urban League.
MARC MORIAL, PRESIDENT, NATIONAL URBAN LEAGUE: Hey, Rick. How are you?
SANCHEZ: He’s going to be joining us as part of this conversation.
I am kind of going to turn this over to the folks who have been watching this with us. This is almost like a mini-controversy that developed over the last couple of days. I also want to let our viewers know that from time to time we are going to be showing you pictures during this conversation of the lines and the voting process all over the country. But let’s go to Twitter. Let me start with this. This is KMiley. She is watching right now. She sent us this. “If McCain was black, everyone would howl about his divorce and graduating at the bottom of his class.”
Marc, let me start with you. Is there a different standard here? And is that part of the conversation in America?
MORIAL: That is interesting, because differential standards have been part of the conversation in America, but perhaps this is an election because of the meltdown and the seriousness of our economic problems that, for many Americans, they have stepped beyond predominant consideration of race in how they vote today.
So, it will be interesting to see as the returns come in how far we have come. I think perhaps this may be a turning point for us.
SANCHEZ: Here is another one, it says, from Pepsi: “As others have said, Obama is as much black as he is white. In my case, that is not an issue.”
Is he right? Are we making more of this than we should be making? Ron, to you.
CEBALLOS: I think, really, the focus now should lie on the issues, as opposed to whether he is black or white. Of course, you know, it is a very important issue that he is black, and that he would be our first president, but really that should not be the focus.
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SANCHEZ: That is why you made this poster. Is that right?
CEBALLOS: Exactly.
SANCHEZ: That is the point that you were trying to make, correct?
CEBALLOS: Indeed, very much so. We wanted to draw attention to the issue that this race is not about being black or white, but, really, it’s about the issues.
SANCHEZ: But it brings people right to the table with their thoughts about this very topic. Let me show you this one. This one came in. Womanist Musings just sent this. She says: “You speak as though a black nominee would even be possible from the racist GOP party.”
Now, that is obviously a very heated opinion and a very heated comment. Most people would argue that, if they would had put Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice on the Republican ticket, they would actually do very well, because it has as much to do with ideology as it does skin color on both sides. Am I wrong, gentlemen?
MORIAL: Let me answer this I think it is interesting to talk about what-ifs, to talk about hypothetical. I think what we see is art. And art is a way to comment on politics. But this is a serious election. The fact of the matter is, is that Barack Obama is an African-American, but Barack Obama is also a person whose has appealed to a broad swathe of the American public.
And I believe that what this says is that, in the future, the way in which elections are waged is who can put the broadest coalitions together, who has the broadest appeal, not the narrowest appeal, not just an appeal based on race or based on ideology or based on wedge issues. That is why perhaps this election is a turning point.
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SANCHEZ: But your race has to do with who you are. Sometimes, it can affect your ideology.